• Re: Breaking News

    From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Dr. What on Tue May 4 09:26:59 2021
    On 4/13/2021 4:41 AM, Dr. What wrote:
    I was thinking more along the lines of a lot of people like to hunt
    wildlife and need guns to do so.

    Yes, but the 2nd Amendmend is not about hunting. It's about being able to resist tyranny. Which is why the Left is to eager to explain the 2nd Amendment away.
    Beyond that if you look at the initial Militia Act, the purpose is
    completely clear. Every man of age (18yo) was required to own the most
    common firearm of the time along with some ammo. It was definitely not
    for hunting but for common defense. I don't think anyone involved in
    the discussion of the second amendment had any inclination to tether it
    to any government body, because at the time, it was obvious that has
    that right... which is why it's defined as a *right* to bear arms.
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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to Tracker1 on Wed May 5 08:08:00 2021
    Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Beyond that if you look at the initial Militia Act, the purpose is completely clear. Every man of age (18yo) was required to own the most common firearm of the time along with some ammo. It was definitely not for hunting but for common defense. I don't think anyone involved in
    the discussion of the second amendment had any inclination to tether it
    to any government body, because at the time, it was obvious that has
    that right... which is why it's defined as a *right* to bear arms.

    Correct.

    And on top of that, there's the Leftie propaganda that the Constitution **grants** us rights. It does not. It only calls out the fact that we
    have rights and that those rights existed before the gov't existed.

    The people have all rights and, through the Constitution, grants the gov't power.

    Of course, Lefties want to pretend that none of this exists.


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  • From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to Tracker1 on Wed May 5 16:35:00 2021
    Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I was thinking more along the lines of a lot of people like to hunt
    wildlife and need guns to do so.

    Yes, but the 2nd Amendmend is not about hunting. It's about being able to resist tyranny. Which is why the Left is to eager to explain the 2nd Amendment away.
    Beyond that if you look at the initial Militia Act, the purpose is completely clear. Every man of age (18yo) was required to own the most common firearm of the time along with some ammo. It was definitely not for hunting but for common defense. I don't think anyone involved in
    the discussion of the second amendment had any inclination to tether it
    to any government body, because at the time, it was obvious that has
    that right... which is why it's defined as a *right* to bear arms.

    Let us also not forget what the Founding Fathers thought about permanent, standing armies. As Thomas Jefferson said, "Standing armies [are] inconsistent with [a people's] freedom” and “completely adverse” to the “spirit of this country.”

    Pretty smart guys, those Founding Fathers. They were able to see 200 years into the future.

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to TRACKER1 on Thu May 6 23:30:00 2021
    TRACKER1 wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    I was thinking more along the lines of a lot of people like to hunt
    wildlife and need guns to do so.

    Yes, but the 2nd Amendmend is not about hunting. It's about being able to resist tyranny. Which is why the Left is to eager to explain the 2nd Amendment away.
    Beyond that if you look at the initial Militia Act, the purpose is completely clear. Every man of age (18yo) was required to own the most common firearm of the time along with some ammo. It was definitely not for hunting but for common defense. I don't think anyone involved in
    the discussion of the second amendment had any inclination to tether it
    to any government body, because at the time, it was obvious that has
    that right... which is why it's defined as a *right* to bear arms.

    Not only that, the "RIGHT" existed BEFORE the constitution. The constitution just prevents the GOVERNMENT from infringing... Or is SUPPOSED to prevent it, but there have been more and more infringements over time... :-(




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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to DR. WHAT on Thu May 6 23:31:00 2021




    I could have saved my previous reply had I read on... LOL






    DR. WHAT wrote to TRACKER1 <=-

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    Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Beyond that if you look at the initial Militia Act, the purpose is completely clear. Every man of age (18yo) was required to own the most common firearm of the time along with some ammo. It was definitely not for hunting but for common defense. I don't think anyone involved in
    the discussion of the second amendment had any inclination to tether it
    to any government body, because at the time, it was obvious that has
    that right... which is why it's defined as a *right* to bear arms.

    Correct.

    And on top of that, there's the Leftie propaganda that the Constitution **grants** us rights. It does not. It only calls out the fact that we have rights and that those rights existed before the gov't existed.

    The people have all rights and, through the Constitution, grants the
    gov't power.

    Of course, Lefties want to pretend that none of this exists.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/DMINE to JIMMY ANDERSON on Fri May 7 08:22:00 2021
    JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TRACKER1 <=-

    Not only that, the "RIGHT" existed BEFORE the constitution. The constitution just prevents the GOVERNMENT from infringing... Or is SUPPOSED to prevent it, but there have been more and more infringements over time... :-(

    Many of them were opposed to the Bill of Rights. They were fearful that,
    over time, it would be taken as a list of the only rights that we have.
    It took the Leftie corruption of the education system to make that happen.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Weatherman on Fri May 7 11:45:43 2021
    Re: Re: Breaking News
    By: Weatherman to Tracker1 on Wed May 05 2021 04:35 pm

    Tracker1 wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I was thinking more along the lines of a lot of people like to hunt
    wildlife and need guns to do so.

    Yes, but the 2nd Amendmend is not about hunting. It's about being able to resis
    tyranny. Which is why the Left is to eager to explain the 2nd Amendment away.
    Beyond that if you look at the initial Militia Act, the purpose is completely
    clear. Every man of age (18yo) was required to own the most common firearm of
    the time along with some ammo. It was definitely not for hunting but for comm
    defense. I don't think anyone involved in
    the discussion of the second amendment had any inclination to tether it to any government body, because at the time, it was obvious that has that right... which is why it's defined as a *right* to bear arms.

    Let us also not forget what the Founding Fathers thought about permanent, standing
    armies. As Thomas Jefferson said, "Standing armies [are] inconsistent with [a
    people's] freedom” and “completely adverse” to the “spirit
    of this country.”

    Pretty smart guys, those Founding Fathers. They were able to see 200 years into th
    future.

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    Standing armies used to be a rarity.

    In the middle ages, standing armies sucked, because people in an army does not grow
    crops and does nothing useful for the most part. Wars in the middle ages sucked because, in addition to the head-chopping going on, there was no people harvesting
    grain, and the factions involved took heavy loses if just for that.

    This is the reason why nobles had no standing armies. You built one when you needed it
    _only_.

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  • From Tortillaretreat@VERT to Weatherman on Tue Jun 1 13:14:08 2021
    Re: Re: Breaking News
    By: Weatherman to Tracker1 on Wed May 05 2021 04:35 pm

    Yes, but the 2nd Amendmend is not about hunting. It's about being able to resist tyranny. Which is why the Left is to eager to explain the 2nd Amendment
    away.

    I'm glad that someone is tired with the American Left. Liberals claim they want equality but purposely brand their politics around making groups that all hate each other(a fact that the Republican Party can tend to feed into with its "Person living their life touching noone? ATTACKING MUH VALUES" tendencies, admittedly), and the so called "socialists" feed into this. Even Marx had said "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." Makes you question whether they read him close enough.

    Whether on the left or right wing, anyone that wishes to rob citizens of their ability to maintain privacy and defend themselves is not my political ally, nor should they be yours if you value "freedom".

    Here's a starting point: Learn to encrypt your communications. Use PGP for your e-mails, use decentralized platforsm for chat like IRC, XMPP, or Matrix, and encrypt your drive.
    Here's some links to get yourself started: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki/Encryption https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki/Anonymizing_yourself https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki/Fucko https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki/Communication

    You might want to consider cryptocurrencies like Monero(https://getmonero.org) for anonymous purchasing. Unlike Bitcoin, Monero's public record is obfuscated, meaning that transactions can't be traced back to the sender or recipient. This guy tells you how to set up a wallet for yourself: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=qPNxca_KMww

    Whether left or right, libertarian unity for the win.

    "Freedom only for the supporters of the government, only for the members of one party - however numerous they may be - is no freedom at all. Freedom is always and exclusively freedom for the one who thinks differently. Not because of any fanatical concept of `justice' but because all that is instructive, wholesome and purifying in political freedom depends on this essential characteristic, and its effectiveness vanishes when `freedom' becomes a special privilege."
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Tortillaretreat on Wed Jun 2 14:41:01 2021
    Re: Re: Breaking News
    By: Tortillaretreat to Weatherman on Tue Jun 01 2021 01:14 pm

    To what Tortillaretreat posted, I'd like to add that we at IRCNow are building an IRC network for the users by the users. What we do is train users so they can build up their own servers and administrate them in order to be les dependent on service providers. We use basic technologies and aim at owning as much of the software and hardware stack as possible, using code not controlled by "the enemy".

    An interview with the mastermind behind the network should hit the newstands around July or August. Don't miss Linux Magazine then :-)

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Moondog on Fri Sep 17 09:12:00 2021
    All of that is true. IIRC, the Brits cannot own much that isn't considered a hunting arm. When I hear someone who is not 2A going on about how we shouldn't have guns that carry X or more bullets, I think of the Brits and believe I would rather have what we have than that.

    In the grand scheme of things the difference between a hunting rifle
    and an assault rifle is the not in the firearm itself, but the
    intentions of the person aiming and pulling the trigger.

    Indeed. As you may have heard, lacking a gun, someone went on a stabbing rampage in NZ. They are now apparently looking into banning the sale of assault knives.



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  • From Jazzy J@VERT/JAYSCAFE to Moondog on Sat Dec 11 10:02:00 2021

    I don't know what it would take to eliminate the roots of violent
    behavior,

    Personal responsibility.

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to SYS64738 on Mon Dec 20 18:15:00 2021
    SYS64738 wrote to MOONDOG <=-

    Re: Breaking News
    By: Moondog to Sys64738 on Tue Dec 14 2021 15:56:00

    Encouraging biblical morality would be a good place to start.

    Sounds good, but even most of us who follow the same book do not agree what each page says.

    Complete agreement is not necessary. There is a general theme of
    respect, kindness, and responsibility.

    Put God above all, and treat your neighbor as yourself. The rest is
    just details. :-)



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  • From Sys64738@VERT/TXNET1 to JIMMY ANDERSON on Wed Dec 22 09:22:20 2021
    Re: Re: Breaking News
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to SYS64738 on Mon Dec 20 2021 18:15:00

    Complete agreement is not necessary. There is a general theme of respect, kindness, and responsibility.

    Put God above all, and treat your neighbor as yourself. The rest is
    just details. :-)

    Sounds like a good start.
    SYS64738

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  • From K7elh@VERT/EOTSQWK to Sys64738 on Thu Dec 23 19:37:26 2021
    Re: Breaking News
    By: Sys64738 to Moondog on Wed Dec 15 2021 08:03:00

    Complete agreement is not necessary. There is a general theme of respect, kindness, and responsibility.

    But why do those have to be inspired by religion? Respect, Kindness and responsibility are all admirable traits. I don't need a fairy tale to back them up.

    Eric

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to K7elh on Fri Dec 24 05:33:57 2021
    Re: Breaking News
    By: K7elh to Sys64738 on Thu Dec 23 2021 07:37 pm

    Re: Breaking News
    By: Sys64738 to Moondog on Wed Dec 15 2021 08:03:00

    Complete agreement is not necessary. There is a general theme of respect kindness, and responsibility.

    But why do those have to be inspired by religion? Respect, Kindness and responsibility are all admirable traits. I don't need a fairy tale to back t up.

    Eric


    While I agree, that comment feels like a cheap shot at moderate Abrahamic religions, heh.

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to K7ELH on Fri Dec 24 21:42:00 2021
    K7ELH wrote to SYS64738 <=-

    Complete agreement is not necessary. There is a general theme of respect, kindness, and responsibility.

    But why do those have to be inspired by religion? Respect, Kindness
    and responsibility are all admirable traits. I don't need a fairy tale
    to back them up.

    Don't have to be inspired by religion at all! You'd think being kind
    and respectful to your fellow man would come natural, but the Truth
    is that the NATURAL thing to do is Sin...




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  • From Sys64738@VERT/TXNET1 to K7elh on Sat Dec 25 09:49:43 2021
    Re: Breaking News
    By: K7elh to Sys64738 on Thu Dec 23 2021 19:37:26

    Complete agreement is not necessary. There is a general theme of respect, kindness, and responsibility.

    But why do those have to be inspired by religion? Respect, Kindness and responsibility are all admirable traits. I don't need a fairy tale to back them up.

    Calling the Bible a "fairy tale" is an awfully large assumption.
    SYS64738

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